Rejecting the Hustle

A few weeks ago, I sat down with Seth Werkheiser for a Substack Live conversation about the messy, beautiful path of making art and building community off the algorithm. Watch the conversation below.

We talked about:

• Leaving behind 10,000+ followers for 328 humans who chose to stay

• The awkwardness of handing a handmade token to a stranger as an adult

• What happens when you stop performing and just… show up

• Why I’m no longer chasing “growth” but instead asking: what’s enough?

This wasn’t a promotional conversation. It was a real one. About presence. Kindness. And making something that outlives the metrics.

If you’ve ever wondered whether your words, your work, your art matter—I hope this conversation reminds you that they do. Sometimes the smallest ripples carry the farthest.